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WELCOME TO THATCamp - Saturday morning, Session 1, 
 
What is the future for today Graduate Students in DH? (resp. Mills Kelly)
 
OCCUPY MILLS!
 
Mareike König and Eva Pflanzeter take over the session!
 
Only two women are responsible for sessions on saturday - so that's something we have to talk about!
 
Topic: Women in social media? 
 
men leave the room. ok, only one.
 
more women than men are blogging - are women more experienced in social media?
- managing your digital/virtual identity is a necessary skill for (male and female!) grad students
- kelly advises his (mostly female) blogging students to make ther virtual identiy as clearly themselves as possible
 
 
why did only two women propose sessions yesterday?
 
Why did they not propose this idea yesterday?
 
Focus on internet and virtual identity... we'll see whether we will get further into the topic of DH...
 
technology and power -> male domination?
 
Is it also a generation issue? There are a lot of female grad students in the room.
 
 
Income difference about 20% (constant since the late 1970s)
 
Question: Who is participating (writing) in Wikipedia? -> seven, two of them women
maybe it's a question of power, writing in wikipedia influences other people's views, also on dh-projects
 
Are the reasons to participate in Wikipedia the same for men and women? (Yes)
And are people exposing themselves (and their identity) by registring? (No)
 
Why do people in General hide their identity when writing texts (Wikipedia)? Are we afraid?
 
87% male on Wikipedia (questionaire on voluntary basis)
Do women have to participate to the same extent as men? is that compulsory? do women feel threatened by the "power" of men on Wikipedia etc.?
most users probably don't care about the gender of the author of the arcticle they're reading - but it could become a problem in the discussion because there is only the 'male' point of view?
 
There is a difference in reviewing anonymous papers, depending on whether the reviewer thinks the paper was written by a women/a men (experience by a participant)
 
Social media is a chance to do open reviews, text critic - it can be a chance, also for women, to be taken serious, to get feedback on your work
 
there are still some sort of "male corners" in the academic landscape (military history, old fashioned political history)
 
 
checking out google search: (pictures)
- female/male blogging
- women/men blogging
- weibliches bloggen
- gender blogging (-> lots of statistic about the subject, we're talking about)
 
 
-> algorithms are quite sexistic...?
it ist probably difficult to discuss google search-results without knowing the search-algorithms behind it. there also seem to be differences between the different countries.
 
Are we looking for stereotypes and are, therefore, finding them? Does anyone know good statistics?
 
Female students make more elaborate comments, while male students comment more... (in the experience of Eva Pflanzeter) where is the problem or the new input/output coming from this?
 
Angry men use the anonimity of the internet to make sexist comments  on female blogs (see also link to cyberpresse). It would be interesting to see how gender is discussed in those hate-comments. Is gender an issue? Or is it just hatred and jealousy?
 
gender  debate is not taken seriously in france according to one participant.  how is the situation in other countries?
 
2/3 of undergraduate students in mills classes are female and they are the ones doing the talking. so what's happening to men? same debate as in the 70s: what's happening to women?
 
conclusion (pflanzeter): more female comments although there are a lot of men sitting in the room - what's their opinion about the topic, the discussion?
what can men they actually say in this kind of disucssion? are they not being told: you're not a woman, what do you have to say? anyways?
 
Different identities in reality and therefore different identities on the internet. (not gender based, but for every single person)
 
 
 
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Links:
 
 
 
 
 
Women in Social Media are still a newsworthy topic: they write an article in the newspaper if you are a famous social media "star" (german only, sorry): http://www.tagesanzeiger.ch/digital/internet/Die-Social-Media-Queen/story/11032597
and also check out the comments